interesting read - the antecedants of RRc from his mothers side ( vanavan madevi
  • Dear Sri,

    Dr. Nagaswamy's article deals with Kapilar & Pari.


    regards / sps
  • Hi
    Pari vallal was from sangam age I gues.
    he is reported to have been settled in many places.
    the place that bears a closest chance is piranmalai.
    even today some castes in tamilnadu claim a lineage from him.

    dont sambuvarayar and malaiyaman fight about some ageold diiferences
    in their anscestors in Ps.
    can some body elaborate?

    veketesh
  • > RRC having unbroken lineage from Sangam period through his Mother
    > Vanavanmadevi whose mother was from PAARI VALLAL !
    >
    > And Sangam literature was popular till atleast 12th Century in
    Chozha
    > nadu !
    >
    > very interesting facts.
    >
    > thanks Vijay.
    >
    > sps
    >

    hi sps sir

    mother from paari and father from sembian ( sibhi) .... what
    illustrious parentage. no wonder !!

    meantime, chanced on this interesting article ....

    http://ecoheritage.cpreec.org/03.Eco_news_Oct-Dec07.pdf

    Flowers and Trees in Ancient Tamil Literature
    M. Amirthalingam

    The lifestyle and culture of the ancient Tamils were
    invariably connected with trees, foliage and flowers.
    This is evident from the innumerable references
    found in the ancient Tamil literature.
    On special occasions, the kings of ancient Tamil
    kingdoms adorned themselves with particular
    flowers - the Cheras with flowers of Indian Palm
    (Borassus flabellifer) which is known in Tamil as
    pondhaiI or panam poo, the Cholas with aathi, and
    the Pandyas with vembu (Azadirachta indica). The
    objectives of battle were indicated by wearing
    specific flowers such as vetchi, vanji, ulinai, kaanchi,
    thumbai and vaagai. The seasons of sprouting of
    leaves, flowering, shedding of flowers and maturing
    of fruits were taken as indicators of environmental
    changes. Before going for a major war, soldiers
    used to pray in front of the Unna maram (Grewia
    tilifolia) to achieve success. The king, in times of
    war, appealed to this tree to bloom in emerald
    verdure to foretell victory (Purapporul
    Vennpamalai, 243). If the result of the battle was
    going to be in favour of the king, then the Unna
    maram (Grewia tilifolia) would display fresh foliage
    and stand erect and strong and if he were to face
    defeat, then it would appear weak and dry
    (Padittruppathu, 40). This tree was also revered by
    devotees for its unfailing prophecies.
    In each kingdom, a particular tree became part of
    the regal paraphernalia. The king worshipped that
    tree and a healthy and strong tree reflected the
    prosperity of his rule. Such a tree was known as
    kaaval maram. In battles, kings established their
    victory by symbolically slashing the kaaval
    marangal of their opponents. Madurai Kanchi
    (153) refers to the victory of Pandyan Nedunchelian
    (Padittruppathu 11 - 12). Similar reference is made
    to celebrate the triumph of Imayavaramban
    Neduncheralathan over the kadambargal by cutting
    the kadamba tree which was their kaaval maram.
    Much of the available literature contains several
    references to kaaval marangal (Subramania Pillai
    1948, James 1971 and Aravanan 1980 and 1981).

    The rulers of early historic period not only practised
    human values but they also respected plants and
    animals and there are many references to this in
    ancient Tamil literature.
    King Pari, while traveling on his chariot, found a
    jasmine creeper discarded and wanting support. He
    dismounted and lent his chariot as support for the
    jasmine creeper and walked to his palace! He is
    lauded as "mullaikku ther koduththa" Pari in Tamil
    literary works. Another Chola Emperor Sibi slew
    his thigh and offered his flesh as food to a hunter to
    save a dove.
    Ancient Tamils treated plants and animals with care
    and took measures to protect and preserve them.
    Most of the plants and animals were associated with
    one god or the other so that the general public,
    born of religious fear, may respect them. For
    example, the plants kadampu (Anthocephalus
    cadamba) and vengai (Pterocarpus marsupium) were
    attached to Lord Muruga and the animal elephant
    to Lord Ganesha.
    Regular tree worship, sthala vrikshas (sacred plants)
    and the existence of sacred groves testify to the
    unique cultural beliefs of the ancient Tamils
    (Anantanarayanan Raman and Arunai
    Palavarayan, 1998).
    Many trees, fruits and plants have special
    significance in Hindu rituals. Through the centuries,
    Hindu religious scripts, myths, mythologies and
    rituals have stressed the importance of preserving
    nature by deifying it.
    We have all along held the neem tree as sacred and
    its flowers, in the form of garland, are offered to
    God. The coconut tree is considered equally sacred
    and the coconuts are offered to God during worship
    and distributed to guests during weddings and
    during other celebrations.
    Turmeric powder and sandal paste have special
    significance and deemed as indispensable items in
    all religious functions.
    Mango leaves also have special significance and they
    are used to adorn the entrance to the house
    particularly on auspicious occasions. People ate out
    of banana leaves and also made food offerings to
    God on banana leaves.
    Conclusion
    The ancient Tamils attached great importance to
    the preservation of natural resources and
    biodiversity. These resources not only had
    religious significance but also reflected the character
    of the king, the state and its citizens. Unfortunately
    ecological traditions have been subjected to severe
    biotic pressures and indiscriminate exploitation for
    commercial purposes. It is time we revived these
    time-honoured traditions and realised the need to
    preserve the ecological balance.
    Reference
    1. Aravaanan, K.P., 1980, "Anthropological
    Studies on the Dravido-Africans", Paari
    Nilayam, Madras, India
    2. Aravaanan, K.P., 1981, "Tree Worship in India
    and Africa - A Comparison (Tamil)", World
    Tamil Research Centre, Chennai, India.
    3. James, F., 1971, "Tree and Serpent Worship",
    Indological Book House, Delhi, India.
    4. Subramania Pillay, G., 1948, "Tree Worship
    and its Ophiolatry", Annamalai University,
    Annamalainagar, India.
    5. Anantanarayanan Raman and Arunai
    Palavarayan, 1998, "Recognition and
    conservation of plant resources in ancient
    Tamilagam: some random thoughts" , In In
    Nanditha Krishna (ed), Ecological Traditions
    of Tamilnadu, Pp. 42-48, C.P.R. Environmental
    Education Centre, Chennai.
  • >
    > mother from paari and father from sembian ( sibhi) .... what
    > illustrious parentage. no wonder !!


    Hi Vijay

    the same parentage for aditya karikalan too!!

    venketesh
    >
    > meantime, chanced on this interesting article ....
    >
    > http://ecoheritage.cpreec.org/03.Eco_news_Oct-Dec07.pdf
    >
    > Flowers and Trees in Ancient Tamil Literature
    > M. Amirthalingam
    >
    > The lifestyle and culture of the ancient Tamils were
    > invariably connected with trees, foliage and flowers.
    > This is evident from the innumerable references
    > found in the ancient Tamil literature.
    > On special occasions, the kings of ancient Tamil
    > kingdoms adorned themselves with particular
    > flowers - the Cheras with flowers of Indian Palm
    > (Borassus flabellifer) which is known in Tamil as
    > pondhaiI or panam poo, the Cholas with aathi, and
    > the Pandyas with vembu (Azadirachta indica). The
    > objectives of battle were indicated by wearing
    > specific flowers such as vetchi, vanji, ulinai, kaanchi,
    > thumbai and vaagai. The seasons of sprouting of
    > leaves, flowering, shedding of flowers and maturing
    > of fruits were taken as indicators of environmental
    > changes. Before going for a major war, soldiers
    > used to pray in front of the Unna maram (Grewia
    > tilifolia) to achieve success. The king, in times of
    > war, appealed to this tree to bloom in emerald
    > verdure to foretell victory (Purapporul
    > Vennpamalai, 243). If the result of the battle was
    > going to be in favour of the king, then the Unna
    > maram (Grewia tilifolia) would display fresh foliage
    > and stand erect and strong and if he were to face
    > defeat, then it would appear weak and dry
    > (Padittruppathu, 40). This tree was also revered by
    > devotees for its unfailing prophecies.
    > In each kingdom, a particular tree became part of
    > the regal paraphernalia. The king worshipped that
    > tree and a healthy and strong tree reflected the
    > prosperity of his rule. Such a tree was known as
    > kaaval maram. In battles, kings established their
    > victory by symbolically slashing the kaaval
    > marangal of their opponents. Madurai Kanchi
    > (153) refers to the victory of Pandyan Nedunchelian
    > (Padittruppathu 11 - 12). Similar reference is made
    > to celebrate the triumph of Imayavaramban
    > Neduncheralathan over the kadambargal by cutting
    > the kadamba tree which was their kaaval maram.
    > Much of the available literature contains several
    > references to kaaval marangal (Subramania Pillai
    > 1948, James 1971 and Aravanan 1980 and 1981).
    >
    > The rulers of early historic period not only practised
    > human values but they also respected plants and
    > animals and there are many references to this in
    > ancient Tamil literature.
    > King Pari, while traveling on his chariot, found a
    > jasmine creeper discarded and wanting support. He
    > dismounted and lent his chariot as support for the
    > jasmine creeper and walked to his palace! He is
    > lauded as "mullaikku ther koduththa" Pari in Tamil
    > literary works. Another Chola Emperor Sibi slew
    > his thigh and offered his flesh as food to a hunter to
    > save a dove.
    > Ancient Tamils treated plants and animals with care
    > and took measures to protect and preserve them.
    > Most of the plants and animals were associated with
    > one god or the other so that the general public,
    > born of religious fear, may respect them. For
    > example, the plants kadampu (Anthocephalus
    > cadamba) and vengai (Pterocarpus marsupium) were
    > attached to Lord Muruga and the animal elephant
    > to Lord Ganesha.
    > Regular tree worship, sthala vrikshas (sacred plants)
    > and the existence of sacred groves testify to the
    > unique cultural beliefs of the ancient Tamils
    > (Anantanarayanan Raman and Arunai
    > Palavarayan, 1998).
    > Many trees, fruits and plants have special
    > significance in Hindu rituals. Through the centuries,
    > Hindu religious scripts, myths, mythologies and
    > rituals have stressed the importance of preserving
    > nature by deifying it.
    > We have all along held the neem tree as sacred and
    > its flowers, in the form of garland, are offered to
    > God. The coconut tree is considered equally sacred
    > and the coconuts are offered to God during worship
    > and distributed to guests during weddings and
    > during other celebrations.
    > Turmeric powder and sandal paste have special
    > significance and deemed as indispensable items in
    > all religious functions.
    > Mango leaves also have special significance and they
    > are used to adorn the entrance to the house
    > particularly on auspicious occasions. People ate out
    > of banana leaves and also made food offerings to
    > God on banana leaves.
    > Conclusion
    > The ancient Tamils attached great importance to
    > the preservation of natural resources and
    > biodiversity. These resources not only had
    > religious significance but also reflected the character
    > of the king, the state and its citizens. Unfortunately
    > ecological traditions have been subjected to severe
    > biotic pressures and indiscriminate exploitation for
    > commercial purposes. It is time we revived these
    > time-honoured traditions and realised the need to
    > preserve the ecological balance.
    > Reference
    > 1. Aravaanan, K.P., 1980, "Anthropological
    > Studies on the Dravido-Africans", Paari
    > Nilayam, Madras, India
    > 2. Aravaanan, K.P., 1981, "Tree Worship in India
    > and Africa - A Comparison (Tamil)", World
    > Tamil Research Centre, Chennai, India.
    > 3. James, F., 1971, "Tree and Serpent Worship",
    > Indological Book House, Delhi, India.
    > 4. Subramania Pillay, G., 1948, "Tree Worship
    > and its Ophiolatry", Annamalai University,
    > Annamalainagar, India.
    > 5. Anantanarayanan Raman and Arunai
    > Palavarayan, 1998, "Recognition and
    > conservation of plant resources in ancient
    > Tamilagam: some random thoughts" , In In
    > Nanditha Krishna (ed), Ecological Traditions
    > of Tamilnadu, Pp. 42-48, C.P.R. Environmental
    > Education Centre, Chennai.
    >
  • Super ..

    And (worshipping )ADORING NATURE .. from Pre-Sangam Age !

    Highly cultural !


    thanks Vijay,

    And dear Naresh,

    while posting I also felt the same !

    Were there Mudhal Ezhu Vallalgal ?

    Good thought..
  • This is a great link and created good thread of
    discussion.

    I have read three poems by Avvaiyaar inviting the
    'mooveanthars' for this marraige. There is another
    beatiful poem by Avvaiyaar about the hospitality of
    Paari makalir when they where living in a forest after
    Paari's death.

    Tanks Vijay.

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